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Aug 04, 2005
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Could you guys clear up the stripping rule ? Several times there were instances of stripping where the defense was awarded the ball or the played was ruled dead.I was under the impression that going after the ball was illegal especially when a player has posession.
 
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ent call?
Aug 04, 2005
10:09 AM | | | ; |
from what i have seen in like 6 years in this league, if a player has the ball tucked you cannot try to strip or punch it out. if he is holding it out like a loaf of bread in one hand for example, you can take it from his hand. once it hits the ground it is dead anyway tho, so punching it out just ends the play unless you can punch it out and catch it in mid air which is pretty hard to do.....
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ng out
Aug 04, 2005
10:54 AM | | | ; |
I think that "Punching out" the ball is illegal also.You are supposed to be going for flags.Otherwise , you could cause injury if you hit the hand or thumb.Commissioners- please clarify !!!!
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IFFL
Aug 04, 2005
11:38 AM | | | ; |
It`s possible (but very difficult) to strip the ball. You have to get all ball and not impede the carrier while doing doing so. It has to be a quick, clean, uncontested strip.
If you impede the progress of the ball carrier by holding and not coming away with the ball, its a defensive penalty, the same as if you were holding the players arm.
Generally (as mentioned above) if the ball is tucked and you try to strip or punch it out, at a minimum you`ll lose an opportunity to pull a flag, and you could possibly get flagged for holding. If the ball is being held out and you cleanly grab or punch all ball without impeding the progress of the ball carrier, it legal.
Tom - IFFL
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Aug 04, 2005
1:32 PM | | | ; |
By your desription it is legal.So I can take the ball away from a player and it will be like a turnover ? I have never seen a strip where it did not at least slow up the runner.Is this impeding ? It seems like it will be a judgement call for the officials and could create some hostile situations. I was always told by officials that it is illegal and most players feel the same.Now you are telling us it is legal ?
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e
Aug 04, 2005
3:22 PM | | | ; |
Player one caught the ball and is running downfield.Player two is giving chase and goes to strip the ball instead of pulling the flag.Player one is struggling with player two which results in him losing his momentum.After a brief struggle , player two comes away with the ball.According to your rules this is legal , but since he impeded the runner , it should be a penalty.The referee awarded the ball to player two.Is this the correct ruling ? It happened in the spring season and it was not the only incident.Certain teams continued to ga after the ball when other teams were not aware of it being legal.If this is legal , then ALL teams should be made aware and the refs need to be critical of when it becomes impeding.
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r
Aug 04, 2005
4:14 PM | | | ; |
The only legal strip I have seen is when the QB is holding the ball way out away from his body and someone knocks it out of his hands only making contact with the ball. If the defender make any contact with the arm it should be a penalty, correct.
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IFFL
Aug 04, 2005
4:29 PM | | | ; |
"Player one caught the ball and is running downfield.Player two is giving chase and goes to strip the ball instead of pulling the flag.Player one is struggling with player two which results in him losing his momentum.After a brief struggle , player two comes away with the ball.According to your rules this is legal"
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I did not say this was legal. I wrote:
"If you impede the progress of the ball carrier by holding and not coming away with the ball, its a defensive penalty"
In the above situation, the officials should have called a penalty.
I`ll make sure this is reinforced to them.
~Tom
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Aug 04, 2005
4:33 PM | | | ; |
Thanks Tom.I am just making sure because I have seen it called both ways and I just think it is not a known rule .
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Aug 04, 2005
9:02 PM | | | ; |
There should be no going for the ball at all. If you can`t fumble then you can`t strip. Seems very simple to be. If people are aloud to try and strip the ball then next is a tackle then a fight and then someone gets hurt. It is a flag league so why don`t we just pull some flags and leave the rest alone.
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Aug 05, 2005
8:31 AM | | | ; |
I agree.Stripping should be banned.That way there is no confusion or risk of injuries.
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Aug 05, 2005
1:35 PM | | | ; |
While we`re at it, lets ban blocking also.
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Aug 05, 2005
1:47 PM | | | ; |
And the forward pass.
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Aug 05, 2005
2:58 PM | | | ; |
Ha, ha very funny guys !!!!!!! The main concern for stripping is injury.I don`t think you would like it if your QB had the ball and someone took a swipe at the ball and ended up breaking your QB`s thumb/hand.Plus , I don`t think it would be easy for the refs either.How do you make a call that has the defender stripping the ball successfully , but impeded the runner in the process.I wouldn`t want to make that call.
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oom Room
Aug 05, 2005
3:11 PM | | | ; |
I say if the chic`s hot enough, let her strip!!
DANCE, DANCE, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS!!
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Aug 05, 2005
3:19 PM | | | ; |
If this were coed stripping would not be an issue.
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Aug 05, 2005
6:05 PM | | | ; |
I understand your concern. I`ve been on both sides of the ball. It happens. Injuries too. If it`s a clean strip or minimal contact, keep playing. Some refs will and some won`t let you do it.
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Aug 05, 2005
9:21 PM | | | ; |
Interesting! I just had to look with this subject line- I thought there might be a strip tease at the Bark Bowl-
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mmish
Aug 08, 2005
3:04 PM | | | ; |
To reinforce what Tom stated, your first intention as a defender is to attempt the flag pull. That goes for rushing the passer as well. You CANNOT legally strip a ball, but stripping does happen. That sounds a little contradictory.
It is an interpretation rule, which will be decided by the official`s judgement. That is why you will see it called different ways.
As long as your first intention is always to pull the flag WITHOUT impeding the runner you should be ok.
If you have any further questions/concers please don`t hesitate to contact me.
Rob-Commish
703/371-4952
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Aug 08, 2005
4:42 PM | | | ; |
So at ANY time the defender slows down, stops or changes the direction of the offensive player that would be reason for a penalty.Of course, only at the refs discretion.I know what you are saying and it doesn`t happen that often.I just hope the game doesn`t change from going after the flag to going after the ball.Thanks Rob
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Refs
Aug 09, 2005
9:23 PM | | | ; |
HELP
Rule book USFFA 6th Edition
SECTION :PLAY RULING SECTION
Page 48 Rule 7
No.19 An opponent snatches ("steals")
the ball from the Ball Carrier.
Ruling: The ball continues in play.
Thanks
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mmish
Aug 10, 2005
11:35 AM | | | ; |
We do NOT advocate stripping in our league at the local level. Where that quote comes from is the NATIONAL rule book, you have to keep in mind the heirarcy of rules. We start at the top with the NATIONAL rule book then the state rule book to our local level rule book with amendments. One amendment is NO STRIPPING, your first intention should always be flag pull.
Like I mentioned earlier in this string it is a ruling ultimately left up to the official, if he does not feel you are making an attempt to pull the flag when a stripping occurs then you will not be awarded possession. You will probably be called for impeding the runner. So "visitor Refs visitor" I would be careful.
Thanks!!
R
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Ref
Aug 10, 2005
1:08 PM | | | ; |
Rob,
I`m not sure what you are talking about
"I would be careful"..
Rob, No one ever adovacates the stripping, (holding or grasping runner) of the ball from the ball carrier but it does happen "state and national level and is legal.
The local IFFL rules does NOT talk about striping the ball???
Thanks
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