Slash
Apr 02, 2012
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Josh can you post something about how the playoffs seedings will work with teams with the same record in the same division. Some of the new teams might think teams are running the score up on them but the vet teams know pt diff makes a difference. Thanks
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Apr 02, 2012
2:38 PM | | | ; |
Sure, why not? The first thing to understand is at the end of the season, everyone gets a playoff game. We will have 3 separate playoff brackets based on how teams finish the regular season. The top teams will play in the `A` playoffs, the middle teams will play in the `B` playoffs and the rest of the teams will play in the `C` playoffs. With 28 teams there`s not a clear easy division of 3, and I haven`t decided how many teams will make A or B yet, but one scenario would be 12 `A`, 8 `B` and 8 `C` teams. Again, those are NOT the final numbers. I hope to have that worked out soon though.
So assuming 12 teams make the `A` playoffs, we would send the top 3 from each division to `A`, the middle 2 would make `B` and the last 2 would make `C`.
So I told you all of that to tell you this, and BTW, this is a blatant cut and past from our Rules And Policies page:
Team ranking and tie break procedure:
Teams are ranked first by winning percentage, then head to head to break ties. The standings on this site auto-update when scores are entered based on percentage and then point differential. The auto-standings DO NOT take head to head into consideration when ranking, so the rankings you see are not necessarily the official rankings.
After teams are ranked by percentage there may be teams with identical percentages. To rank those tied teams in the correct order, tie break procedure is used:
Two teams are tied for a position
Head to head is the first determiner. The team who won the head to head match-up is ranked ahead of the team that lost.
If the tied teams did not play, or the teams tied their game, overall point differential for the season is used to rank those teams.
Three teams are tied for a position
scenario#1: three teams are tied for a position (there are no other teams with the same percentage), each tied team has played at least one other team they are tied with: teams are then ranked according head to head record against the field of tied teams, then (if any teams are still tied) according to point differential in the games played against the tied teams.
Example: teams A, B, C are tied in percentage, have all played each other, and . C beat A and B, B beat A but lost to C, C lost to A and B. Teams would be ranked in this order: C (2-0 vs teams tied with), B (1-1 vs teams tied with), A (0-2 vs teams tied with). In this case, the head to head records clearly rank the teams 1-3 and point differential does not come into play.
Example: teams A, B, C are tied in percentage, have all played each other. C beat A 10-7 and lost to B 13-3, B lost to A 20-0. All 3 teams are (1-1) in head to head play (still tied) so point differential IN THOSE GAMES ONLY is now applied. C won by 3 and lost by 10, so C is a (-7) net pt diff. B won by 10 and lost by 20 so B is a (-10) net pt diff. A lost by 3 and won by 20 so A is a (+17) net pt diff. The teams would be ranked in this order: A (+17), C (-7), B (-10).
Example: teams A, B, C are tied in percentage, team A has played both B and C. B has not played C.
*If A won both those games, A (2-0) is first, and then the ranking of B (0-1) and C (0-1) is based on overall point differential for the season.
*If A lost both those games, A (0-2) is third, and then the ranking of B (1-0) and C (1-0) is based on overall point differential for the season.
*If A split those games, A (1-1) is second, the team they beat (0-1) is third, the team who beat them (1-0) is first.
*A tie in any game played between the teams applies the same head to head then pt diff formula above.
scenario#2: three teams are tied for a position (there are no other teams with the same percentage) and none of the tied teams has played at least one other team they are tied with: teams are ranked according to overall point differential for the season.
scenario#3 (Here`s where we have most of the confusion): three teams are tied for a position, there are no other teams with the same percentage, only 2 of the teams have played each other. In this specific sceanrio, head to head is not used as the first tie breaker, because one teams has no head to head record. Teams are ranked first by over point differential. If two teams who have played each other get ranked in succession, THEN the head to head result could flip the positioning of those 2 teams.
Example: teams A, B, C are tied in percentage, team A beat B. C has not played A or B. By overall point differential for the season, then teams are ranked in this order: C, B, A. Because A beat B head to head, and is ranked directly behind B, A and B would switch positions.
Example: teams A, B, C are tied in percentage, team A beat B. C has not played A or B. By overall point differential for the season, then teams are ranked in this order: B, C, A. Even though A beat B head to head, they cannot leap frog C to then move ahead of B because C has a better overall point differential for the season than A.
Four or more teams tied - use the same procedure/formulas as in three teams tied.
So, the real point here is, remember that a team can miss out on a playoff spot as easy as missing an XP, so if a team is up by a lot and still trying to score at the end of the game remember that point differential does matter.
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Hey
Apr 02, 2012
3:36 PM | | | ; |
Might be nice now to know how many will make each playoff division. More to "A" would be best. Make a decision please. This shouldn`t be done during the season.
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Player
Apr 02, 2012
3:47 PM | | | ; |
Hey JAR, you could have everyone make playoffs except for last place in their divisions. 4 divions of 7, drop the last place team. Top 2 make A, mid 2 make B and bottom 2 make C. No headaches. What do you think?
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Slash
Apr 02, 2012
3:53 PM | | | ; |
Thanks josh only reason I wanted you to put that out there quad in the winter league the rebels got a little upset we scored late.
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Hey slash
Apr 02, 2012
4:11 PM | | | ; |
Its still a debatable subject. I`m mixed myself, I think early in the season it`s a douche move, I think late in the season (last game or two) it`s acceptable, although could still be viewed as douchey.
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Apr 02, 2012
4:15 PM | | | ; |
If either of you want me to take your inputs seriously you`ll need to start logging in or emailing me @ josh@iffl.us. This is the last time I`ll even acknowledge an anonymous poster making suggestions on how to run the league. Don`t misunderstand me, I`m always open to suggestions, just not from anonymous people.
Might be nice now to know how many will make each playoff division. More to "A" would be best. Make a decision please. This shouldn`t be done during the season.
It might be nice, however it won`t matter if I made that decision last month or in two weeks. Are you going to try harder based on my decision? I will almost certainly put more teams in `A` than in `B` or `C`.
Hey JAR, you could have everyone make playoffs except for last place in their divisions. 4 divions of 7, drop the last place team. Top 2 make A, mid 2 make B and bottom 2 make C. No headaches. What do you think?
Nope. Season was priced to include a guaranteed playoff game, so everyone goes to the playoffs.
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SLASH
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Apr 02, 2012
4:27 PM | | | ; |
I don`t see how`s its douchey. If you know straight from jump that`s points matter. I just wanted josh to shed light on it do the new teams or any team for that fact dosent get mad. That`s all
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Miller
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Apr 02, 2012
4:51 PM | | | ; |
Slash are you new to the league?
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Apr 02, 2012
5:49 PM | | | ; |
Slash are you new to the league?
He`s a stupid rookie Miller, give him a break.
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Anonymous poster
Apr 02, 2012
6:44 PM | | | ; |
Not sure why it matters if I`m registered or not as long as my point is valid. Do you really think it doesn`t matter if we were told half way through the season how the playoffs worked? I can pretty much guarantee at least 90 percent would agree having the playoff format decided before the season does matter. Decisions such as going for 2, playing it safe, helll even key players that are on the fence about making a game could be influenced if half way through the season their teams were on the edge of the playoffs. @ slash, I could just see how some teams feel it douchey when a team is beating a team 35-0 and calling timeouts in the last 20 seconds to score more points. I understand why it can be done, at minimum the team getting beat is probably not going to like it.
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Apr 02, 2012
8:24 PM | | | ; |
Not sure why it matters if I`m registered or not as long as my point is valid.
Maybe it`s just me being petty, but I have no respect for someone who wants to come on and make demands of me, but doesn`t have the balls to put their name to it.
Do you really think it doesn`t matter if we were told half way through the season how the playoffs worked?
There`s no way we`ll get to that point. You wouldn`t even have a clue that I hadn`t set anything in stone until I said so earlier. The problem with setting the number of teams in place before the season starts is we have in the past added teams after the season started, and I had two teams looking to get in, but I can`t bring them in without 2 mores teams, which will affect the number of teams in each playoff.
As it stands today if nothing changes we`ll go with the 12/8/8 format.
As for the douchey-ness of running up the score, no matter the purpose the team on the other side of things will be pissed about it. No one likes it when that happens. Best thing to do is remember it and look for a chance to pay them back when you get the chance. That and don`t suck so bad in the future that they can run it up on you.
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Anonymous Poster
Apr 02, 2012
8:53 PM | | | ; |
If "make a decision please" on how the playoffs would work offended you and came off as demanding then I apologize. Just looking for a little clarity. I wasn`t trying to stir anything up.
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anonymous poster
Apr 02, 2012
9:22 PM | | | ; |
so if i dont register i dont need to pay to play because my opinion does not matter??Petty???? b careful other leagues are pushing hard ,i know u dont care but this strong arm ***** shove down and swallow is bs
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Apr 02, 2012
9:43 PM | | | ; |
Fuck it, maybe I`m just being an asshole tonight.
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Big Johnson
Apr 02, 2012
10:02 PM | | | ; |
Josh, calm down bro. Relax and watch some b-ball. Plus, if these guys are that worried about the playoff breakdown, that tells me their team will probably be playing in the C tournament. Otherwise it wouldn`t matter.
I know my team is trying to win our division. That should be every team`s goal. Not to be a middle of the road team. Hell, I`d keep the format a secret until the end.
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yeah Josh
Apr 03, 2012
3:12 AM | | | ; |
You should go with the playoff format that you feel is required no league around here has stronger teams, most have one great team so if the scrub wants to go play let him go lol. You are doing a great job and we all know.
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Cappy
Apr 03, 2012
6:29 AM | | | ; |
Hey Josh, since you`re the commish, I think you should do whatever you need to do. The anonymous posters are free to start their own league and see how much work it takes to run a league. I`ve done it, it ain`t easy.
Keep chopping wood Josh, we got your back.
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Agreed
Apr 03, 2012
6:43 AM | | | ; |
Yea Josh, decide who is in the playoffs at the end of the season, that will make it exciting. This shouldn`t be like the other leagues, let`s create a twist.
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Vet player
Apr 03, 2012
7:02 AM | | | ; |
Josh, with all respect to you, and knowing you do a lot of work for the league (all us vets see how much passion you have for the IFFL, and it`s greatly appreciated). I think it would be nice to know the playoff format at the begining (or a week or two in), instead of at the end of the year. It`s not about being an a non-registered poster, it`s about understanding the format of the playoffs. Whatever is decided, it will be fine, but deciding last minute is where some people may be bitter.
Big Johnson, you talk about `my team is trying to win our division` but you don`t state your real name or team. I think every team wants to win their division, that is not the question. The question is the teams that are on the bubble of playing in either A, B or C.
Just knowing where a team stands in whatever playoff format is put in place, that`s what some want.
Not trying to stir the pot, or be an a$$, just trying to better understand why it NOT be a good idea to set the playoff format now, instead of later.
Again, Josh is doing a great job, so that`s not even an issue at all.
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Apr 03, 2012
7:08 AM | | | ; |
I think it would be nice to know the playoff format at the begining (or a week or two in), instead of at the end of the year.
So, just to be clear, I agree on this point. I would never wait until the end of the season to decide on something like that. We`re a week into the season, and I`m 99% certain I know what the format will be. My reason for waiting was simply I thought we might add a few more teams. To be fair that possibility is looking less like an option right now, so probably the best thing to do at this point is to make a decision and if it happens we can add more teams I`ll adjust afterwards.
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Vet player
Apr 03, 2012
7:35 AM | | | ; |
Thanks for the quick response Josh. Like I said in my prior post, just trying to understand the process. Thanks for explaining the process.
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add teams
Apr 03, 2012
8:02 AM | | | ; |
? to what? the league? we`ve all had our first games already. and Josh, you are the commish, stay neutral my dude. As you tell other teams to not feed into the bull**** that we call this messageboard, dont react to anonymous posters.
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the more the better
Apr 03, 2012
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new teams
Apr 03, 2012
1:16 PM | | | ; |
must take a "L" for late entry, forfeit the 1st game right?
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Hollywood
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Apr 03, 2012
1:22 PM | | | ; |
@ new teams - not really, we`re only 1 game into the season so they could use week 1 as a bye week and have a double header later in the season.
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I agree
Apr 03, 2012
1:52 PM | | | ; |
with Hollywood, let them get a fare start like everyone else
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Derek Zoolander
Apr 04, 2012
1:08 AM | | | ; |
Ha, I just caught this beetchfest! I gotta agree with Josh on this one, it`s still early guys. Let`s just wait until all the teams are locked in an calculating playoff scenarios is even possible. It`s also possible that teams will drop out especially in the open formatted spring league, seen it before. It`s just a shame all the united players had to start *****ing this early, don`t worry guys you will have plenty of time to drop a couple late games to make it into the B playoffs. ;)
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