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poll question: "will an A team win the B playoffs?"
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Oct 24, 2011
12:53 PM | | ;
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Will Punishers or Penetrators win the B playoffs?
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Player
Oct 24, 2011
12:56 PM | | | ; |
No way Punishers win a game in B playoffs.
What`s up with the Pens this season? Pretty poor showing. I could see them winning a game, maybe two, but not the whole thing.
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IWinner
Oct 24, 2011
12:57 PM | | | ; |
I am going with an Alter ego and Swarm in the B championship.
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Ummm
Oct 24, 2011
1:06 PM | | | ; |
Don`t count out Vegas or Imposters. Then there`s noodle arm United and Outlaws. I think it`s pretty much up in the air at this point.
Don`t see the A teams making much noise though.
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Stupid
Oct 24, 2011
2:05 PM | | | ; |
It`s Stupid how A teams even get to play in the B playoffs.
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 24, 2011
2:10 PM | | | ; |
No, actually it`s not. You should actually look at it as a reward for having the gumption to attempt playing in A. The assumption here is, if you were in the last two places in A, you probably belonged in B, so we`re going to give you the shot at running in the B playoffs.
Now, I`ll be the first to admit that I`m surprised Pens are in the running for one of those spots, but the B teams that have to play them will most likely be one of the teams that were in the A playoffs in the Spring and so in theory, the matchups will most likely be very even.
I watched Alter Ego and Imposters both play Sunday and I`d say that they could give anyone in the bottom half of A a ballgame.
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Interesting...
Oct 24, 2011
2:22 PM | | | ; |
"The assumption here is, if you were in the last two places in A, you probably belonged in B..."
That`s a pretty bad assumption, especially for Pens when you consider their track record. I don`t know their situation, but if they are having trouble fielding a team during the regular season, I would imagine the majority of their team could/would show up for playoffs...in which case they are a top 3 A team.
Same goes for Punishers who have openly admitted to having pour attendance.
Not to mention some consider the competition between A & B to be night and day. Moving from top tier competition to a lower level of competition could benefit any A team and benefit those "bottom level A teams."
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Spell Check
Oct 24, 2011
2:23 PM | |
Agreed
Oct 24, 2011
2:26 PM | | | ; |
I agree. If you look at the Pens schedule they have been in every game and have only lost by 7 points or less. Not to mention they beat the A top seed (SC)...
Punishers on the other hand are an entirely different story.
If Pens lose to the Punishers this week, they really want to play in B and take advantage of the system. TERRIBLE!
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 24, 2011
2:33 PM | | | ; |
You`re argument is a fair one. Like I said, I really am surprised to see the Pens in that position. However, there`s also a lot of teams in B right now that have made it to the A playoffs or competed on the A level at some point or another, and they`re ALL doing well. Swarm (Ligers), Alter Ego, Imposters, United, Outlaws and Vegas Nights. None of them has more than 1 loss. And almost all of them who have a loss, got it from one of the other teams I mentioned.
Do they belong in B? Maybe, maybe not. Most likely some of those teams will have to face an A team in the playoffs and I think it`ll be a good measuring stick for them.
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Waaahhhhhhh!!!
Oct 24, 2011
2:34 PM | | | ; |
you f`in crybabies I don`t hear you complaining about beating C teams 22-0, 29-0, 39-0, 50-0 (go look those are actual scores from B this past weekend) but then if you have to possibly play the pens you drop a load in your pants.
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 24, 2011
2:37 PM | | | ; |
And just to be clear, my personal opinion is anyone who was in the A playoffs in the Spring should have played A this Fall. Everyone has their own arguments as to why they shouldn`t have to step up, and my least favorite is "we lost too many key guys".
My team lost 4 defensive starters and 3 offensive starters, including our QB. We could`ve made the same argument, but we ran A and we`re taking our lumps as a result. I still think we did the right thing.
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LOL
Oct 24, 2011
2:37 PM | | | ; |
Who cares!
And "Waahhhhhhh" plays for the Punishers...
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Correction
Oct 24, 2011
2:46 PM | | | ; |
Bundy, thanks for the information. However, the Spring had an open format - no A,B,C until playoffs. So yes, some A-B teams who made it to the playoffs padded their records against C level teams.
Sorry, I don`t buy that argument...
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 24, 2011
2:54 PM | | | ; |
Most people will argue we "padded" our record on those same C level teams in the Spring. Should we have played in B?
Look, at the end of the day, it`s their prerogative to play where they feel comfortable I suppose. What makes me unhappy is to see lower level B and C teams getting beat down week in and week out by teams that probably should have tried to at least step up.
There`s no "winning" this argument or discussion, just don`t want to hear a lot of whining about the two A teams that drop down.
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to bundy
Oct 24, 2011
3:18 PM | | | ; |
There is no correct answer to this question. It falls right in there with " Does this dress make me look fat ? " or Do these pants make my hips look big ? Damned , no matter what answer you give.The only thing that your answer affects is the degree of crap you get for your answer.
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Miller
Punishers
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Oct 24, 2011
3:31 PM | | | ; |
I am really the only one on my team that posts. Yes we have had our attendance issues this whole season which sucks. Hopefully we can get a full squad for playoffs and win at least 1 game, but by the way this season is going I doubt it lol
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The Truth
Oct 24, 2011
4:19 PM | | | ; |
The C teams getting a beat down is also not right, that is why there should have been three divisions, each division having their own playoffs.
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miller?????
Oct 24, 2011
4:21 PM | |
F.U.
Oct 24, 2011
9:25 PM | | | ; |
Miller`s team would prolly be 8-0 in B and have everyone complaining about why the punishers are playing in B. Instead the real CLOWNS are teams like Alter Ego, Outlaws, United, Hana etc, etc, who all know they should be playing in A but would rather beat up on C teams than face some real comp.
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all the complaining
Oct 25, 2011
4:06 AM | | | ; |
will lead to one open division again, with a, b, and c playoffs cry babies
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Miller
Punishers
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Oct 25, 2011
8:43 AM | | | ; |
Thanks "F.U." but there are still some very good B teams out there. Many of them could play in A. I have mixed feelings about Open vs A,B,C. Only way it could really work out is let every coach vote on where they feel teams should play and based on the coaches votes and if Tom/Shay felt they were in the improper division they could override if they felt necessary.
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Meh
Oct 25, 2011
8:56 AM | | | ; |
It`s pointless there would be complaining about how the leagues are setup unless all teams are at around .500. There are always going to be teams at the very top and some at the very bottom. The 50-0 score though is pretty eye opening.
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Light bulb!
Oct 25, 2011
9:06 AM | | | ; |
Here is an idea, if you pay/sign-up to play in "A" than you stay in "A" regardless of your record. Sounds simple to me!
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Yo Miller
Oct 25, 2011
10:16 AM | | | ; |
You bringing back Team Garbage? Time for a name change to fire up the troops!
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@ F.U.
Oct 25, 2011
10:38 AM | | | ; |
teams change from season to season. Punishers are a different team than NTAC and I`d be willing to bet that Stone Cold`s family has changed from time to time since they have been in too(found out one was a b@sta@rd, had to get rid of that guy). But it`s unfair to say that because a team was in A 2 years ago, they should be there now. Dietz was a good look at that, they were a solid A team for years but then with injuries got beat up pretty bad, not their fault, it just happens.
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Curious
Oct 25, 2011
12:04 PM | | | ; |
Did the coaches even get a vote on this?
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 25, 2011
1:07 PM | | | ; |
Coaches can always voice their opinions and ask for a vote on any league rule at the annual coach`s meeting. Sadly, most don`t attend, despite the free beer and food.
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Player
Oct 25, 2011
1:07 PM | | | ; |
Here are my thoughts on this.
Should Imposters, AA, Ligers/ Swarm be playing in A this season? Maybe, maybe not. None of them fared well in the A playoffs and I don`t think any of them beat a team that is currently playing in A. It is my opinion that they belong in B b/c they are B teams. Now mix in Vegas, United and Outlaws and you have, in my opinion the top six teams in B.
WTF, Hana, CN are the upper level C/B teams and the rest are true C teams.
The same argument was being made in the Spring when everyone was in Open. The A/B teams were beating up on the C/Novice teams. People were *****ing and moaning then too.
In my opinion the ultimate problem is the fact we are grouping teams from the bottom up and not the top down. I know that numbers wise this can be difficult b/c there might not be enough teams to have defined A, B, and C levels from one season to the next. I feel like unless we are going to only have an Open format then we should have Open and a Novice/C league. This way teams like Imposters, Swarm, AA, United, Vegas, and Outlaws have to play some of the A teams while also getting a chance to play teams more on their “level.” AND the new teams or C teams can develop while playing against teams on their “level.” Getting smashed every Sunday is not a good way to build a team and maybe this is why we’ve seen registration levels drop over the past 3-4 seasons.
I feel like we should either have defined A, B, and C leagues or Open and C but never only Open. BUT, it will ultimately always come down to numbers.
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Miller
Punishers
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Oct 25, 2011
1:26 PM | | | ; |
Yea we have had quite a few names; Off in the Shower, PKL Warriors, NTAC (No Talent Ass Clowns), Punishers and Team Garbage. Team Garbage might be coming back next year but we are most likely going to merge and play with Pain. That way the people that are dedicated can actually show up and we can get alot of their talented players also. Hopefully Slash will come back and play QB and Hollywood can move back to WR.
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Voting
Oct 25, 2011
1:47 PM | | | ; |
Bundy, doesn`t the league also communicate league changes via email for a vote? Sounds more like a dictatorship!
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^
Oct 25, 2011
1:55 PM | | | ; |
Sounds more like crying about the results of an election when you didn`t even bother to show up and vote. I actually like the meetings because coaches argue for or against something before voting. That and the free food and beer.
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 25, 2011
2:00 PM | | | ; |
Umm...maybe every once in a while things go out via email, like last Spring we voted on whether or not the first round of the A playoffs would be a doubleheader or not.
I`m not sure how that`s a dictatorship though? There`s an annual meeting to discuss everything that goes on in the league, it`s all fair game. Coaches have to show up though. If your coach doesn`t bother to show or get someone from your team to represent for him, then who the hell cares what they think?
And I can tell you right now from this Fall`s Sunday IFFL teams the only ones who bothered to show were Truth, Scavs, Pens, Pain, Imposters and maybe Swarm? That`s only 16% of the teams.
Dictatorship? More like apathy.
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It`s an online world
Oct 25, 2011
2:36 PM | | | ; |
Put those questions/rule changes in an email to get more responses and debate, it`s really not difficult.
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Re: It`s an online world
Oct 25, 2011
3:24 PM | | | ; |
You may get more responses but it is not timely and practical. I say this because you will be waiting for people to respond and/or address everyone`s individual concern. It is far easier to do this in person. If your coach can`t attend, I believe they are welcome to send someone in their place.
The online world has not yet fully replaced real life interaction.
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Yo Miller
Oct 25, 2011
3:33 PM | | | ; |
I like it! I can see it now (puts hands toward the sky, indicating a large over the top message) PAINFUL GARBAGE. It`s got a ring to it.
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Miller
Punishers
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Oct 25, 2011
3:48 PM | | | ; |
hahaha i seriously laughed out loud. love it.
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online world!
Oct 25, 2011
4:26 PM | | | ; |
I agree with the online voting. Isn`t it better to get the majority of the coaches to vote rather than just 10%? Also, how hard is it to send a mass email to coaches with a deadline? You don`t respond by the deadline, than you get no vote.
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Agreed
Oct 25, 2011
7:50 PM | | | ; |
There are also a slew of survey type websites which would
make it simple.
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Al Bundy
The Truth
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Oct 25, 2011
10:16 PM | | | ; |
You want online voting? Show up to the coaches meeting and get it voted on ;)
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Come on
Oct 25, 2011
11:37 PM | | | ; |
You can`t get a single person from a minimum 8 person team to attend a meeting and you want a voice? It`s impractical to debate the intricacies of organizing a flag football league via email or a simple survey. Perhaps you have missed the quality of the conversations/arguments on this board but if they are any indication of what you`d be dealing with when deciding league issues in emails, I can assure you it would be nothing other than a headache for the league administrators and ultimately a lost cause. You can`t vote for government elections online for good reason, and the same with flag football. If it really meant that much to you and your team, you`d show up to the meeting and have your voice heard.
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i think
Oct 26, 2011
10:03 AM | | | ; |
i think its funny that bundy logs in as bundy and posts and then logs off and re-affirms everything he said LOL
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Entertaining
Oct 27, 2011
12:19 PM | | | ; |
Funny how 90% of the posts on this board people trash talk the top `B` teams about how bad they really are and how they would never stand a chance again `A` teams. Then posts like this show up and people whine that they are not in `A`.
The current format gives all teams the best chance to play against the closest competition in the playoffs. If you force teams like AA, Imposters, Swarm (Ligers), and VN to play in `A` you still end up with either a huge `A` playoffs, having to drop more `A` teams down to `B` (and end up exactly how it is), or not allow the lower `A` teams in a playoff bracket essentially screwing them out of play time and games. You would also have very small `C` and `B` brackets and leagues and we would completely break the ability to gauge teams on their skill and when they should move up or back down.
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Dumb
Oct 29, 2011
11:03 AM | | | ; |
Look, the argument of losing a bunch of players is a valid one. Bundy, if you choose to play in A after losing players, good for you. But some teams don`t like to pay a bunch of money to show up to play against teams that regularly stack squads to win rather then build an actual team. I`m not saying your team did that, but there are some that do that regularly. There are huge differences from spring to summer to fall leagues.
There should ALWAYS be a C league for teams that want to come out and play organized football and have fun (or teams just starting) so the lopsided wins don`t regularly happen.
I`m a fan of Open and C, that`s it. With that format, it allows higher level B/lower level A teams play some games that are considered fair and some that will be a challenge. It`s not a loss every week, or 28-0 ass whoppins. Some teams...ie Punishers right now, may have felt pressure to move up to A because of arguments like this. Or maybe they just wanted the challenge. Either way, I bet they aren`t having much fun. No matter what they say, it`s not fun to lose every week.
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Dumb Part II
Oct 29, 2011
11:06 AM | | | ; |
Also, every time a team wins B league ship, it`s "oh they should have been in A.....blaaaa blaaa"
You know how to solve that? DON`T have a B league! Open and Novice....That`s it.
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Punishers Player
Oct 31, 2011
8:32 PM | | | ; |
Yeah it`s not fun losing every week, but most of us have been in this league long enough to get over it. It sucks being 0-6, but truthfully we have been in almost every game this season even with attendance issues every week. Everyone has personal lives and other commitments besides football on Sundays, so you got to make the best of the team you can field. Judging by the attendance of our players this year I doubt we play in A again or even field a team in the future. Just saying. Just read the painful garbage post and laughed as well... Good one.
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Yea
Nov 01, 2011
1:57 PM | | | ; |
Miller`s team is awesome for going up to A and getting smashed while Alter Ego, Outlaws, United, and Hana are the real clowns for playing teams closer to their level and actually do well. Lol, logical argument buddy.
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Imposter
Nov 02, 2011
10:19 AM | | | ; |
Anyone suggesting that Imposters are dogging it in B are being ridiculous. We have a new QB, new Offensive system, and ~20% new players. And if you look at our track record against A/B/C teams, you`ll see that we`ve never beat an A team, never lost to a C team, and played "well" against B teams. We`re right where we belong - THIS season. Rest assured we plan on playing A after we finish our B Championship run this Fall. Whether we get bounced in the 1st Round or win it all, we`ll still have our sights on A next Spring.
For those complaining about bottom-A teams getting B seeds - seriously? Those teams should be given a fair chance to compete in a Playoff bracket that suits their level of play. We all paid our money. Having a bad season in A shouldn`t be a death sentence. Besides, the chances of a team miraculously getting their sh*t together just in time for the Playoffs are slim. And I disagree about A vs. B being "night v. day." None of the Top B teams should fear the cellar dwellers of A. At worst it`ll be a good matchup worth watching.
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Winner
Nov 03, 2011
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