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Just Wondering

Jun 08, 2009
9:50 AM

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Are crack backs legal if its done behind the line of scrimmage? There seem to be a lot of crying going on when somebody gets laid out by a block. I thought this was football.

IF IT`S NOT IN THE

Jun 08, 2009
9:54 AM


;	BACK ITS LEGAL BEHIND THE LINE IS A WAR ZONE

thanks

Jun 08, 2009
9:59 AM


;	that`s what I thought. we had a bunch of guys crying on sunday bcuz they got blocked. no one trys to hurt people on purpose but its football and its a physical game.

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
10:50 AM


;	Stop asking Tom whether crack backs are legal clown. Thats not the f8cking question. Crack backs are perfectly legal. Like I`ve told you before when you`re trowing an elbow and leaving your feet to deliver a crack back then we have a problem. And I don`t want to hear that sore loser bll***. I answered you in the weeknight messageboard that the better team won so I could give a f8ck about a loss. I just want you to throw that same block against me the next time we step on the field. For the veterans in this league, there are unwritten rules. And you just broke one. I could see if you and a guy have a personal vendetta or (as someone mentioned to me)I could see if we`re playing in States/Nationals against another team from another league then I can see you deleivering that type of blow. But let me give you a heads please make sure you keep your head on a swivel the next time I play against you and please don`t hide on the sidelines. I`ll show you how to play with no unwritten rules.

re: Locs

Jun 08, 2009
10:55 AM


;	Damn, someone just pissed off the big man.... cheap shots always come back around Locs, take care of business

To Locs

Jun 08, 2009
11:06 AM


;	If you are going to call someone out, why don`t you just call out that particular player, so EVERYONE in the league knows to watch out for this guy? I think that once you get known as a cheap shot....then you become the one getting the shots against you pretty quickly.

yup

Jun 08, 2009
11:07 AM


;	They musta really got dirty on `em cuz Locs is a clean player.

Bernie Mac

Jun 08, 2009
11:11 AM


;	lol was it the cat that looks like Bernie Mac?

Witness

Jun 08, 2009
11:17 AM


;	I witnessed two dirty crackback blocks from Badboyz. Their QB starts 15-20 yards back and is very elusive so many times he is running around side to side for several seconds. Therefore you get d lineman going side to side chasing him, and set yourself up for crackback blocks. BB nailed the Rhinos d lineman, lucky he didn`t get his shoulder dislocated or worse. The guy is about 150lbs and 50 years old, not very fair against a guy twice his size, he wasn`t looking, BB left his feet, threw his shoulder and elbow. I know it`s "football" but it just didn`t look legal. Then pretty much the same thing happened in the Dietze game. Badboyz are dirty and seemed like they cared more about cheap shots and talking trash, so you better keep your head on a swivel if you rush their QB. They also had several roughing the passer flags.

If I were Locs

Jun 08, 2009
11:22 AM


;	I would have started throwing blows. Gotta protect your players.

another witness

Jun 08, 2009
11:31 AM


;	come on you all would call it dirty if one o-lineman pulled inside and hit the rusher on the other side? if you are playing on the line you will get hit and if you do not like that then play coed ball. if you don`t want to get jacked then don`t play d-line its that simple.

Dirtybird

Jun 08, 2009
11:38 AM


;	The discussion is not about playing football, getting hit and being physical, I am pretty sure Locs and others are fine with that part, it`s the illegal block in the back, when a "defenseless" guy gets hit in the back chasing a QB. A pulling lineman hitting a guy straight up is not the same thing, now that is football, legal and not dirty. It must have been dirty if Locs, who is a big, clean, well respected guy is complaining.

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
11:49 AM


;	I will say this, it was not Bernie Mac the center. I`m not going to label the entire team as dirty players because they are not. It was #1, their coach that infuriates me more. The ironic thing is that the center crack backs to do, which is smart and legal when you’re rolling the pocket which they like to do, however the center is not trying to cheap shot you like #1. #1, Darren, did the same thing against a Dietz Nuts player. We’ll find out today whether our guy shoulder is sprained, separated or broke. If that’s how you want to play the game, from now on, with no unwritten rules that’s perfectly fine with me. I don’t think you’re built for that type of play but we will find out. Good luck to your team during the weeknights. I’ll be rooting for you.

Re: Dirtybird

Jun 08, 2009
11:51 AM


;	A crackback block doesn`t mean you hit the guy in the back. It refers to an offensive player going opposite the flow of the play to block a pursuing defensive player. Often these hits can`t be seen coming and involve full speed on full speed collisions. These plays result in the nastiest hits and although they are legal, they are bound to piss someone off. No one should be out here to actually injure other players. If the player left his feet and used his elbow, that`s pretty clear intention to injure because of the nature of the crackback block. I`ve played against the D Lineman mentioned above and a simple shove might have been enough to put him down if he was blindsided. Seems like overkill and the kind of stuff that`s going to get you headhunted for the rest of your IFFL days.

411

Jun 08, 2009
11:57 AM


;	Vegas Nights do the same thing so everyone playin in B better look out to.

How `bout

Jun 08, 2009
11:57 AM


;	blocks to the neck. The O-Line from the truth loves to high block and jam their thumbs in your throat. I don`t think that is legal and it pretty much is pu$$$y football.

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
11:57 AM


;	Well said.

Exactly.

Jun 08, 2009
11:59 AM


;	It`s best to just flat out call these type of players out. Loc`s has been in the league for years, and has earned respect. Sounds like BB #1 is going to have a few less friends on the field, and more people will have an eye on him. The bottom line, unless you are unemployed, everyone has to go to work on Monday (or whatever days you work), and there is no place to try and take someone out.

D-Line

Jun 08, 2009
12:03 PM


;	I rush D Line and I get hit in the throat ever damn game. Most times the players don`t mean to, it just happens so don`t be such a B!tch.

no

Jun 08, 2009
12:05 PM


;	two of the players on the truth do it as a tactic. Once is a mistake, twice is a accidental, three times is a chronic problem. So blow me.

BS

Jun 08, 2009
12:11 PM


;	We played both those teams saw none of that. Just someone trying to cause trouble.

Hey dummy....

Jun 08, 2009
12:13 PM


;	Posting above....Locs is logged in. You are a moron.

NEXT SEASON

Jun 08, 2009
12:15 PM


;	ADD PARTIAL CONTACT, 5 YD OFFENSIVE BLOCKING LIKE DC/MD LEAGUE, LET`S GET THE GAME REALLY GOING IF WE GONNA HAVE THESE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS...

I agree

Jun 08, 2009
12:23 PM


;	if some are going to tackle, Crack Back, cheap shot and no penalty called. Then make it legal and the paybacks will be brought on the field and not the message board. Also, if a player knows they will get rocked for a "SHOT" they do I am sure they will think twice about doing it.

Badboyz #1

Jun 08, 2009
1:15 PM


;	Sorry Dirty Bird had to use ur difinition of a crack back. 92 Loc say what you want this Darryn #1 from Badboyz, the shots were legal, they were done directly in front of the ref. i don`t play dirty at all. So I resent you saying that but you say what you want it was perfectly legal. (when rushing keep head on swivel) i heard some talk about size and age? If you are on the feild it`s because you want to play football. If u are rushing you need to expect contact. A crackback block doesn`t mean you hit the guy in the back. It refers to an offensive player going opposite the flow of the play to block a pursuing defensive player. Often these hits can`t be seen coming and involve full speed on full speed collisions. These plays result in the nastiest hits and although they are legal, they are bound to piss someone off. No one should be out here to actually injure other players. If the player left his feet and used his elbow, that`s pretty clear intention to injure because of the nature of the crackback block. I`ve played against the D Lineman mentioned above and a simple shove might have been enough to put him down if he was blindsided. Seems like overkill and the kind of stuff that`s going to get you headhunted for the rest of your IFFL days.

Al Bundy
The Truth
coach

Jun 08, 2009
1:23 PM


;	Whoa whoa whoa. I promise you, no one on my O Line (myself included) EVER tried to hit anyone, anywhere but the chest. If you got hit in the throat by me, I know I apologized immediately and same goes for the rest of my line. If you really, REALLY think we`re playing dirty, message me and we`ll talk about it.

Coach

Jun 08, 2009
1:33 PM


;	You can not block with your shoulder. BB were dipping there shoulder to block. Suppose to be open hand only. It is full contact behind the line. But not how you play it. The Refs did a very poor job at Lake Fairfax. People are going to get hurt if this keeps up. Tom or Rob need to stop this ASAP

maybe

Jun 08, 2009
1:37 PM


;	u guys need a coaches meeting with tom, becuz it sounds like it`s getting more than competitive... and everybody in the league actually has a life to go to after these games are played...

IT`S GETTING HOT IN HERE

Jun 08, 2009
1:39 PM


;	GET AT EM BUNDY! and PLEASE tell us the next time ya`ll meet on OR off the field

Al Bundy
The Truth
coach

Jun 08, 2009
1:44 PM


;	Whoa again. I`m not looking to `meet up` with anyone. I just want to straighten out any issues that makes someone think we`re playing dirty.

to BB#1

Jun 08, 2009
1:51 PM


;	It is one thing to say it`s legal and crackback, maybe it was more of the quotes I overheard after some of those hits, like "Got knocked the F out" or "lights out dude". You and your team will never have my respect.

Kiper

Jun 08, 2009
2:01 PM


;	On Sunday, BB had at least 3-4 roughing the passer penalties, one ILLEGAL block in the back, and a couple cursing/unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Sounds more like a typical, MD THUG team if you ask me.

Franchise

Jun 08, 2009
2:01 PM


;	will take there cheap shotz as well...

you guys

Jun 08, 2009
2:14 PM


;	are all some gay ass *****es. go play kick ball or something.

I love the BBz

Jun 08, 2009
2:53 PM


;	they are good peoples

so basically

Jun 08, 2009
3:05 PM


;	badboyz is labeled a dirty team bcuz someone got blocked legally but he shouldn`t have hit him hard. is this correct? all of you guys should go to a contact flag football game so you can see how they do things. if we play by the league rules then how are we dirty? we don`t try to hurt anyone intentionally. you guys are on here talking about doing things to intentionally try to hurt someone and all that does is cause other problems that aren`t related to football. so lets just play football and if you get a chance to lay out one of our players then do it but do it legally. all we can say is he should have kept his head on a swivel.

OPEN HANDS ONLY

Jun 08, 2009
3:19 PM


;	Again open hand blocking is the only block that should and can be made.

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
3:23 PM


;	This is my last reply on this. I was just informed by another player that #1 Darrin separated his shoulder also doing the same crack back blocking technique on him last year. Yeah yall some Bad Boyz. "so lets just play football and if you get a chance to lay out one of our players then do it but do it legally" Not a f8cking problem. Gotcha. Enough said. Good luck on weeknights. I`ll be pulling for you guys.

open hand....

Jun 08, 2009
3:28 PM


;	= BROKEN WRIST!

Rule Book Bitc*@

Jun 08, 2009
3:33 PM


;	ARTIQLE 1. .B locking .is legally pbf)tructingan,oPPc>neotb y pontactjng the opponent withaoypart oftheblocker`s body. Bloc:kers must b~ on their feet before, during, and after contact .is made with an opponE;}oTt wo 9!10nE;}b loc~i!1g shall be limited to the area on anCi behind the neutral zone. Under no condition shall a high~low or rolling blbck be permitted. Blocker is allowed to contact only that portion of the opponent`s body between the waist and shoulders. E)(ception: A blocker who loses personal body contrQl due to an. opponent`s aggressiveness after contact sh,all not b~. penalized. Contl1ct withanopp6nent l11ayb CClJr9 nly between tl1E;}opponent`swaist and neck. There shall be no cross body blocking. No downfieldblocking. Offensive players may use an extended arm (PrQ block) provided palms are facing opponent and blocker is either stationary or moving backward. Page-10 Rule 2 Section 3 When using a hand or forearm block, the elbow must be outside the shoulder. The blocker`s hands may not be locked. The blocker may not swing, throw, or flip the elbow or forearm. The hands may be closed or cupped but the palms may not be facing the opponent being blocked

what a punk

Jun 08, 2009
3:48 PM


;	An apology would have been nice. I`ve seen BB play before, love to talk, love to hype themselves, typical losers.

and

Jun 08, 2009
3:56 PM


;	they like to drink beer while watching other teams play, (in MD of course, VA wouldnt allow that)

what up snitch

Jun 08, 2009
4:13 PM


;	"and they like to drink beer" WTF ****** theresa ?

BB #27

Jun 08, 2009
4:14 PM


;	Gents: We are NOT a dirty team. We can be physical, but definitely NOT dirty. Again, this is a legal hit that our OL will do when our QB is scrambling behind the line of scrimmage. Not only do we do this in MD, but it is done in VA, and not ONE ref penalize us. If you care that the art of being an agressive OL be removed from the game of football in general, or from the IFFL specifically, feel free to speak to either Roger Godell or Tom. Rhinos, we respect your team, and hope that your guy did not separate his shoulder because I can assure you that the hit is not meant to injure, but to protect a scrambling QB. We were concern when we heard that it was a possibility because we are NOT out to injure. Just as someone said in a previous post, we all have jobs to return to Monday morning. Peace.

nicely put

Jun 08, 2009
4:16 PM


;	but still no apology?

re: what up snitch

Jun 08, 2009
4:28 PM


;	Oh so you dont condone drinking at the field either, by calling someone snitch you know the actions of a person were wrong. You are just bothered that someone called them out on it? But dont let this comment derail the dirty play of BB.

LOL

Jun 08, 2009
4:29 PM


;	Meant to protect the qb, from what? A flag pull? lol

re: BB#27

Jun 08, 2009
4:32 PM


;	Looks like BB #27 and Locs were at two different games. Hey BB #27 is the sky ever blue, from your analogy I dont think you EVER believe you are wrong or even made a "mistake" just own up and apologies and be done, if not, PLAYERS will be "looking" for your "boyz"

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
4:39 PM


;	So for those that reached out and wanted an update on our player. His right shoulder is separated from the hit and his left shoulder is jammed from hitting the turf. He`s in good spirits, laughing about it and is till one of the funniest dudes I know. Anyone know where I can get a BadBoyz shirt or jersey to wear to their game tonight?

Watch out

Jun 08, 2009
4:46 PM


;	LOCs, those guys are just degenerate thugs.

Re snitch stuff

Jun 08, 2009
4:56 PM


;	I think grown men should be able to drink when they want....Hell if your daddy didnt drink you never would have been born from that fat beast of a mum youve got

hey

Jun 08, 2009
4:57 PM


;	i got a game tonight at lake fairfax and wanna watch bb too are they at lake fairfax tonight or somewhere else

Mr. Locs

Jun 08, 2009
5:02 PM


;	I am calling you out! You said two replies ago, and I quote "This is my last reply on this." How do you respond?:) P.S. I do have a BB Jersey, but I am using it to wipe my A$$$ as I ran out of TP.

Rhinos92Locs

registered poster

Jun 08, 2009
5:06 PM


;	LMAO!!! "Next Question." -Drew Rosenhaus

Bottom Line

Jun 08, 2009
5:14 PM


;	The bottom line.....even if the BBoyz say the block was legal, they know now that teams are going to be looking out for that type of $hit. You try that $hit going forward, and you are going to have your a$$ handed to you.

Seriously?

Jun 08, 2009
5:17 PM


;	Protect the QB? OMG! It dont matter who the guy was rushing or how old or heavy whatever, the BB guy layed an illegal hit on a guy who wasn`t even looking? Man thats just cheap and wrong and at least man up and face the guy your hitting to give him a chance. if its true he even left his feet to give the blow. Thats trying to injure no matter what u say. protect the Qb? thats a joke.

re: Seriously

Jun 08, 2009
5:32 PM


;	why do you have to leave your feet to give a blow? That is not how i do it, but maybe you got skillz! -Dupont Darrin

BB Coach

Jun 08, 2009
5:44 PM


;	Does that every game, he`s a dirty POS.

move post

Jun 08, 2009
5:51 PM


;	to officals board.

One Vet opinion

Jun 08, 2009
5:55 PM


;	I have played in this league for over 5 years now and I have never seen two blocks like that in one day. I am not debating whether they are legal or not, but in both incidences I did not see a SINGLE Badboy player go over to the players down to either help them out or check to make sure they werent hurt. Nor did they after the game ask about the players. Instead they strut around the field as if they are proud of clocking some guy in the back who was not even looking. Totally classless.

BB #27 doesn`t have a job

Jun 08, 2009
6:01 PM


;	They are probably all mailmen or UPS delivery guys. I think I saw one of them making pizzas at Chuck E Cheese.

re: yup

Jun 08, 2009
6:41 PM


;	Locs is a clean player on the field, but in bed he loves to get down and dirty. Just ask Bundy, he`ll tell ya how much Locs throws him around in the sac.;)