Tom - IFFL
IFFL - commissioner
May 16, 2006
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If we get no more rainouts or other surprises, we could hold an all-star day at Hook Road on June 25th.
We`d need to have a few games to make it worth while.
Some ideas floated are:
League Champs A, B and C vs. all-stars from all the other teams in that playoff level (3 games).
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Round Robin all star games A vs B, B vs C, C vs A (3 games)
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A North/South all-stars vs A Central/West/Montgomery
B North/South all-stars vs B Central/West/Montgomery
Novice American all-stars vs Novice National
(3 games)
If anyone else has an idea to add post it here and we`ll put the options up to a coach vote next week.
Remember, we can do this only if we wrap everything else up by 6/18.
Tom - IFFL
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kingpin-no2
May 16, 2006
8:50 PM | | | ; |
Tom,
I saw in an earlier post, on this same All Star subject, that someone suggested a skills challenge. I think you could make the skills challege a real nice event. You could hold it right after the championships games, this way you`d have a bigger crowd for the championships games than just the teams and their friends and families. I`m sure you could even get a few local businesses to sponsor some portions of it, if they knew it was going to draw a crowd. Skill Challenges could be, Fastest 40yd dash, Fastest 100 yrd dash, Longest FGs, For the QB challenge you could have the QB`s pick their own WR`s and get points for passes completed, like out of 10 routes from a simple passing tree, with points increasing for each completed pass QB and WR get their own points. For the linemen you could have most reps of a certain weight on the bench press (NFL combine-like) or some other strong man event. Sure we all think of ourselves as All Stars, but I think you`d have more interest in a Skills challenge - the bragging rights on the message board would go year round! So what if you caught a TD in the All Star game, how `bout saying you`ve got the fastest 40 time in the whole league! I could be wrong but I know it would draw more people out to the Championship games, and lets face it, those are your All Stars for the season anyway....of course if you do an All Star game I think the coaches of each team should select 3 or 4 guys from their own team for the All Star teams since they know their players the best. I like the last option best: A North/South all-stars vs A Central/West/Montgomery
B North/South all-stars vs B Central/West/Montgomery
Either way all of this talk speaks for the pride each guy takes in their team and this league. I think you guys have done a great job in running this thing and I know whatever is voted on you guys will do your best!
Who`s ready to race?
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question
May 16, 2006
10:33 PM | | | ; |
who would pick the allstar from each team?
will it be a coaches vote or everyone votes?
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Skills
May 17, 2006
8:48 AM | | | ; |
I think a skills competition is a great idea. In my baseball league, we have a home run derby before the all-star game and that is all everyone talks about afterwards. I think you would see a similar effect from a skills competition. The 40-yard dash would be fun to watch and settle some of this message board nonsense once and for all ON the field where everyone can compete against everyone else.
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Hollywood21
May 17, 2006
8:51 AM | | | ; |
I know it would be different for each division but how many players per team would get an invite to the all star game?
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Yippee
May 17, 2006
9:27 AM | | | ; |
Then we can tape ourselves and watch ourselves and think about how great we are.
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bark bowl
May 17, 2006
9:52 AM | | | ; |
have a bark bowl style round robin tournament with on all star team reppin` each division. if you combine divisions and give each team 2 all stars the other ways, that is 32 on a team, no p.t. for a lot of guys. give each team 3 all stars and that would make approx 24 per side, a little more reasonable and lets get it on bark bowl-iron man style
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tourney
May 17, 2006
9:56 AM | | | ; |
I think 24 is still a lot. How about a tourney with each division having its own team. That would make 16/team if each team sends two.
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Get Er Done
May 17, 2006
6:05 PM | | | ; |
A skills contest is the dumbest idea I`ve ever heard of to decide an All Star team. An All Star team shouldn`t be based off of who runs the fastest, bench presses 225 the most, who throws the furthest, who has the prettiest spiral, who looks the best in their uniform, who spats thier cleats up the prettiest. An All Star Team should be based off of who gets it done on the field. And your peers (opposing players) should decide who they think gets its done on the field.
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Rob
May 17, 2006
6:28 PM | | | ; |
How about each coach pick 1 player on O and one on D. Break the 4 divison into two. Let one set of the O and D play the first half. Then let the other guys play the second half. Let the players pick two coachs. The two coachs with the most votes runs the all star teams. Now everyone can now bash my idea.
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Good
May 17, 2006
6:37 PM | | | ; |
Mutiny Coach, I actually like that idea, fair to all, every team participates. Can`t argue much with it except to say some teams have more then 2 players, but this is supposed to be about fun, so this seems fair.
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Old Man
May 17, 2006
6:41 PM | | | ; |
How about an over 35 allstar team against an under 30 team? That way us old mofo`s can beat up the young guys.
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Get Er Dunce
May 17, 2006
6:47 PM | | | ; |
To Get Er Done: The suggestion of a skills competition is an event to have instead of or in addition to an All Star game. It`s not a means of selecting who gets to make the team.
My $.02: I think a skills competition is a GREAT idea!
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Coach Selection
May 17, 2006
6:50 PM | | | ; |
The coach,who team wins their division, should coach that division`s all star team if we`re going to do an all star team from each division.
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stupid
May 17, 2006
7:30 PM | | | ; |
there will be no fair way to decide on an all star team. even with coaches picking, the teams will be full of "coaches favorites", regardless of whether they deserve it. what about teams that dont have anyone worthy of being an all star? or teams with more than 2?
what would the point to all this be? to boost people`s self esteem?
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To Stupid
May 17, 2006
7:48 PM | | | ; |
You win for being the Biggest Dick Head award. It`s dicks like you who make it not possiable to do any thing. Sorry you are always the last to be picked and the first ass that is kicked.
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2
May 17, 2006
8:28 PM | | | ; |
I think 2 from each team is a good idea and let the coach who wins their division be the head coach
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United - 11
May 17, 2006
9:11 PM | | | ; |
1st gets 4 players
2nd place in the division gets 3.
3rd to 5th place gets 2 each.
6th to 8th gets 1 each.
1st head coach
2nd asst. coach
Total of 16, no need for offense and defense cause the all-stars usually plays both anyways.
You get rewarded for your team winning and every team gets a chance to participate.
My 2c.
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Andy 7
May 17, 2006
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uh-huh
May 18, 2006
0:19 AM | | | ; |
I vote skills competition.
What does it mean to be an all star winner?
Not much...
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A format takes shape
May 18, 2006
6:57 AM | | | ; |
The idea presented by United 11 has merit. In a league where no official stats are kept, team performance is as good a way as any to determine all-star participation. A single-elimination tournament with seven teams (1 first round bye) starts the day. The skills competition can be offered in addition to the games and open to everyone. Sounds like a good day to me.
Question - should the all-star seedings (# of players sent per team) be based on final standings (post-playoffs) or regular season record? I would assume that the teams at the top will vote for regular season while the others will vote for final standings in the hopes of improving their rank in the playoffs.
I think the final regular season record should be used. It rewards performance for the season and falls in line with every all-star/mvp scenario used in other sports where all-star/mvp voting is done during the season. Also, this gives teams time to make their decisions and submit their all-star selections after the season wraps up this weekend. If the weather cooperates, the all-star weekend can be finalized and those that plan to participate can make arrangements.
Any thoughts?
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Packers
May 18, 2006
8:49 AM | | | ; |
Similar to the old NFL champs vs. college all star games, I like the champions vs. the all stars idea. With that said, I have no clue how you would pick the all star teams.
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to union coach
May 18, 2006
9:01 AM | | | ; |
It`s not what you get out of being an ALL Star winner, it`s just about having fun. I`m sure these group of guys just want the chance to play an extra game in the league. I do.
The skill competition would be nice additional activity.
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Look at Me
May 18, 2006
9:59 AM | | | ; |
Wht not take all the best players from the best two teams and play every week so everyone can see how good they are. God I hope my team has enough self-esteem to opt-out of this game.
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look at you
May 18, 2006
10:01 AM | |
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May 18, 2006
10:37 AM | | | ; |
An All Star game would be great, but you have to take some time and consideration into this. How would players HONESTLY be selected? This league does not keep stats, so how would QB`s, RB`s or WR`s even selected.
This is not organized football, it`s flag football. Most of the top teams are where they are not because of all stars, but because of TEAM PLAY. Most of the good teams in either the A, B or C division have even talent. The only thing that makes an A team, is a team that plays in the A league and have proven themselves as being a competitive team. Folks may give Kilroy`s Lions a lot of trouble, but you have to be real, these guys are young and are a player or two away from dominating this league. DON`T LET KILROY`S RECRUIT A GOOD QB!!!! You keep a team together for about 6 -7 years, you are bound to be on top of the league. Example: The Gators, hands down have the best O-line and D-Line in the league, but since they are a 1st year team, they have to gel. I remember when some the "better" players on Lazy Sundae first played about 8 years ago, and those guys couldn`t BUY a victory.
So, to truly consider an All-Star game is a good idea, but I don`t feel that it would be a true depiction of the talent in this league. The idea that was shared by the United guy was a good idea.
I have another idea to throw out there....how about we have a champions tourney. You take the teams that were in the A, B and C finals and put them in a tourney. This way, the best of the best can play. I am sure that there are some C and B teams that feel that they have what it takes to be a champion.
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dean
May 18, 2006
11:49 PM | | | ; |
why don`t we leave it up to the teams to select their team reps. in the all-star game.
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no
May 19, 2006
0:53 AM | | | ; |
because there are a lot of worthy players taht would get hosed. a lot of teams dont have a "coach", and coaches shouldnt be put in the position to pick the best two players on their team.
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einstein
May 19, 2006
0:58 AM | | | ; |
an all star team consisting of coaches selections as stated above could never possibly work. What if every team sends a QB and a DB? What if a team has a great qb, lineman and safety? the coach sends the qb and lineman, but who isnt to say the safety isnt the best in the league? my point is taht the only way to do an all star game is by selecting the best at every position. you can then try to include one from every team ala MLB.
but to send the two best players from each team isn`t really an "all-star" game, because you might end up with a WR playing O-line or something along those lines.
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duhhh
May 19, 2006
1:01 AM | | | ; |
einstein is right retards. picking 2 or 3 guys is plain stupid. and considering most teams are not able to watch everyone else because of how the games are scheduled, its impossible to know who the best in the league is. the real all stars are the ones who win the titles.
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Star
May 19, 2006
6:00 AM | | | ; |
No all star game. Have B and C Champ teams play each other and the winner plays the A team champs.
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Forget It
May 19, 2006
10:36 AM | | | ; |
Since there is no accurate way of selecting a true All Star team, I say we just do the skills challenge. That way anyone who wants to participate can, and no one is left out.
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SKILLS COMPETITION
May 19, 2006
10:39 AM | | | ; |
Jeez! That`s the answer. If you want to do something that everyone and their momma can participate in, then have a skills competition! Like the QB challenge stuff. that is so much more interesting than watching a bunch of random all stars who have never played with each other.
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Forget you
May 19, 2006
10:39 AM | | | ; |
You worried you won`t get to play LOL.
We should have both the all star game and the skills challenge. It would be fun for all who participate and for all who watches.
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This is it
May 19, 2006
10:43 AM | | | ; |
Again each player should be given a list of the players at each position. Select one player from an opposing team at each position. No you haven`t seen every player play but the players that have seen that plaer will vote for him and then you do the divisional All Star game and the winners play each other and the losers play a consolation game.
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Come on...
May 19, 2006
10:45 AM | | | ; |
That`s just a random Street Pick up game. Whack-ness. Barely an all Star game. I like Skills idea...
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4 come on
May 19, 2006
10:47 AM | | | ; |
if its so whack then you dont have to participate. easy!
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Coach
May 19, 2006
11:22 AM | | | ; |
I think we should definitely stick with the All-Star Game idea. I think there would be much more interest in actually playing a football game as oppose to having some stupid skills challenge where a few guys are running around by themselves. Playing games are 1,000 times more fun that a skills challenge.
Obviously the issue is what method we would use in picking the players for the All-Star teams. I think an idea would be for each team to nominate up to 4 players from their team (of various positions) and then the coaches from that division can vote on the players by position. This way we can avoid having 5 QB`s and 6 WR`s. The coaches are smart enough to nominate their best guys on the team, and then the teams who have played against each other can look at the pool of players and say "hey, I remember a d-line man from that team tore us up."
The next issue would be how would we determine the number of All Star teams:
I put my vote to Tom`s last idea that we combine Divisions for A and B so that A North/South plays, A Central/West/Montgomery......B North/South plays B Central/West/Montgomery and Novice National plays Novice American.
I think this is best way to divid the teams up.
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Better idea
May 19, 2006
12:59 PM | | | ; |
What about calling it "The Ego Bowl" and pick the two most stuck up players from each team. Then each could try to convince the others how they`re the best guy there. Have an ambulance handy for muscle pulls resulting from patting oneself on the back.
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to coach
May 19, 2006
1:01 PM | | | ; |
"hey, I remember a d-line man from that team tore us up."
do you remember which d-lineman that was?
was the d-lineman that good, or was he a product of a system, did he benefit from another good lineman, a weak opposing o-line?
did he have a good game against you, or a good season?
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHO DESERVES TO BE AN ALL-STAR BASED ON YOUR RANDOM OBSERVATION OF OPPONENTS.
IF WE VOTE LIKE THAT, WE WILL END UP WITH A LOT OF PLAYERS GETTING A FEW VOTES EACH. NOTHING DEFINITIVE.
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Screw It
May 19, 2006
1:42 PM | | | ; |
I think the skills competition is more interesting because:
1. You can have a competition at each position. 2. Encompasses more people.
3. Allows for getting to know the players in this league a little bit better.
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and then
May 19, 2006
1:45 PM | | | ; |
and then we can have an all star game
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Agreed
May 19, 2006
1:47 PM | | | ; |
I concur. Skills competition is the way to go. We`re gonna go `round and `round trying to get an All Star game together, and I don`t see it coming off in the short amount of time we have left. Plus, with the weather being unpredictable as it is, who`s to say that the game will even get played? Whereas a skills competition can be held indoors
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Forget About It
May 19, 2006
2:18 PM | | | ; |
A skills competition instead of an All Star game? Thats a dumbass idea. Ohhhh ahhhhh, I ran faster than you. Ohhhh ahhhh I threw further than you. Just scratch the whole damn thing.
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player
May 19, 2006
2:48 PM | | | ; |
I like Tom`s idea of A vs A, B vs B, C vs C.
Have each team`s coach select three from his own team:
1 lineman; 2 backs/receivers.
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2 player
May 19, 2006
5:14 PM | |
Good idea
May 19, 2006
6:18 PM | | | ; |
when they had an all star game a few years back, it was decided before the season. Each team would vote for the best offensive player and defensive player from the other team after each game. The results were tallied at the end of the season and it seemed to work out
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kingpin-no2
Jun 09, 2006
12:48 PM | | | ; |
What`s the dealio? Can I continue with my off season training....
beer consumption....or am I going to lace up my dogs one more
time before the summer? Yes all you jack-aces, my team lost
last week.......and I am bitter.
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Player
Jun 09, 2006
1:17 PM | | | ; |
We can do it. Yes we can. Just need to weed out the dicks and getter done. Tom`s idea can and should work.
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this isnt the nfl...
Jun 09, 2006
1:42 PM | | | ; |
its recreational flag football. i agree with dean. just let each team pick a couple reps and make sure youre not picking two WRs (for example) so youll have people to fill in at all positions. if there is a need for the "coach" of that perticular "all star" team to step in because they need another DL and have too many WRs then that could be worked out. who cares if a guys represents a team as an all star but there was another player that had three more catches this year. ITS FLAG FOOTBALL GAME NOT THE SUPER BOWL! It wont make a difference.
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to kingping2
Jun 09, 2006
2:16 PM | | | ; |
you would be a great cheerleader for the big game as far as you playing not a chance you are horrible
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kingpin-no2
Jun 09, 2006
7:56 PM | | | ; |
thanksfortherunonsentancetoby
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