Good Luck
May 05, 2008
12:38 PM | | | ; |
Trying to get Tom to do something about the refs. Every year, both on the field and on here, people tell stories about these clowns sucking ass.
My favorite ref story was the one where one of the Lazy linemen got 2 straight personal foul penalties called on him for stupid reasons, pulled off his own flag and threw it on the ref for "****ty reffing" and got tossed.
If anyone running this league cared a lick about the quality of the games, they would send out a "representative" to each field and have them monitor the refs` performance over the course of the day. If the refs do a ****ty job, they don`t get paid. I bet you that would make the lazy ones care and the ones that just flat out suck stop showing up because they would never get that precious $100 for the day....
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Hmmm.....
May 05, 2008
1:00 PM | | | ; |
Sounds to me like a player venting because he got caught !
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Practice Squad
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May 05, 2008
1:14 PM | | | ; |
My wife and I coach a coed softball team in FAS (Fairfax Adult Softball) and each game we are asked to rate the umpires and give reasons as to our ratings. The umpires are held accountable for their performance and their pay and sometimes jobs are affected accordingly. Coaches should have the same ability to rank a refereeing crew.
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Art Schliester
May 05, 2008
3:04 PM | | | ; |
Many leagues have an independent arbiter (seperate from the Commisioner) assigning referees and monitoring quality. Not sure how to fix this, as Tom is only one guy, and we have had mostly the same refs the past 4 years (though the guy that looks like Fat Colonel Sanders is MIA).
And threatening to dock pay for "performance" probably isn`t the appropriate motivator and is possibly illegal. Seriously, half the donkeys in this would never receive a paycheck if they got docked everytime they screwed up at work...
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Practice Squad
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May 05, 2008
3:08 PM | | | ; |
I was actually thinking more along the lines of their increases (or lack thereof) would be affected by performance evaluations. I agree that pay docking is a bad idea.
Honestly, Tom does a good job running the league, but it`s a pretty big organization. Are there any committees or structures in place to do deal with things such as rules and referees, fields, divisions, scheduling etc? I`m fairly certain you wouldn`t have a hard time putting together a board to help govern these sort of things.
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not that bad
May 05, 2008
3:14 PM | | | ; |
I thought the refs at BC2 were good this sunday, they actually explained calls and were on top of telling us how much time was left and how many timeouts each team had left. alot better then the refs at BC1.
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May 05, 2008
3:48 PM | | | ; |
Please contact Rob about officiating complaints/concerns or rule applications or issues: rob@iffl.us
We don`t like to get our lines crossed on these matters, and its better when one of us has the big picture than for each of us to hold different pieces.
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Babies
May 05, 2008
6:30 PM | | | ; |
Why are all these C league teams crying? Play a couple of years in the league, and realize that the refs don`t decide the outcome of the game. If you make plays and pull flags, the refs don`t mean a thing.
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huh?
May 05, 2008
7:21 PM | | | ; |
play a few years in the league and then you will realize that refs make game changing calls in close matchups...you are being foolish if you dont think refereeing has caused a game to turn out differently than it should have, even at the highest level...I mean have you watched the NFL the last few years? Bottom line, poor calls turn a certain W into an L in a heart beat...you can say that a team puts themselves in that situation but not every game is gonna be 21-0 with 2 minutes left, thats just not how it goes...we rely on these guys to get it right. they need to step it up
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May 05, 2008
7:59 PM | | | ; |
Hrm...seeing as how I`m the only C league player in this thread (that`s registered and admits it) you think that I`m crying? All I said was referees should be accountable for their performance, good or bad. Do you disagree with that?
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Geesh
May 05, 2008
8:04 PM | | | ; |
Stop whining about the refs and play ball!
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Geesh
May 05, 2008
9:15 PM | | | ; |
Can you people not read? The only complaint people have is the confusion with the referee calls. When you hear one rule on one field and here the complete opposite rule on another, it starts to get annoying.
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cry me a river
May 05, 2008
9:24 PM | | | ; |
We got bad calls too it happen even in pro ball even in the superbowl so dont get on here telling me ref made a bad call cuz u was not holding if it walk like a duck then thats what the ref call.
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Practice Squad
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May 06, 2008
9:06 AM | | | ; |
My complaint is more about consistency with the rules being enforced, for example the hat rule. I could care less if a guy wears his hat backwards, but my understanding is that it`s against our league`s `house` rules. If so, then enforce it consistently across the board.
What I`m suggesting is that the league needs a fair and unbiased way of evaluating the referee crews they hire so at the end of a season they can say, here`s where we need you guys to improve or hell, you guys are great or even we`ll be looking for another crew next year.
I don`t believe there`s any crying in any of the statements I`ve made.
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Head Ref at Herndon,Hook,LFairfax
May 06, 2008
8:06 PM | | | ; |
TO Al Bundy...
As stated before there are two DIFFERENT officiating groups doing games for the IFFL.
One group is at Herndon, Hook RD, Lake Fairfax..The other group is at the other fields. RULE: As you miss spoke about the hat rule that is a NATIONAL RULE page 8 SECTION 4 art 5i
As far as evaluating officials that would be fine with our group. Also one thing you left out was the officials evaluating each team on conduct and sportsmanship as done in Fairfax softball.
As Tom pointed out talk to your league about the different groups.
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May 06, 2008
8:16 PM | | | ; |
All good points sir, to begin with, the crew I reference is the BC #2 crew and whether your different crews or not you should enforce the same rules. I assume you all have the same rule book and should have the same required training.
As far as the hat rule, that makes it even less forgivable to me that the referee told me to my face that I was incorrect.
And as far as your suggestion of teams being evaluated on conduct and sportsmanship, I agree 110%. It will help keep teams in check and weed out the players/teams that continually cause problems.
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i mean
May 06, 2008
8:27 PM | | | ; |
just dont stop the game to pee, and dont eat ice cream when you are suppose to making calls, and know the rules...IE encroachment v neutral zone infrac
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HEAD OFFICIAL H-HR-LF
May 06, 2008
8:53 PM | | | ; |
As I stated before…The Assoication/crew at BC#1 or BC#2 is NOT part of our Officials Association!!!! Our Association official`s group is only responsible for those fields at Herndon, Hook RD, and Lake Fairfax. IT IS A DIFFERENT ASSOCIATION!!!!!
TO i mean...Why don`t you say something to TOM and ROB about that when it happens!!
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Practice Squad
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May 06, 2008
9:00 PM | | | ; |
I think you guys do a good job. Why not expand your crews so you can get all the fields and make more money in the long run? :)
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May 06, 2008
9:04 PM | | | ; |
Hey wait, were you yelling at me?
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May 06, 2008
9:06 PM | | | ; |
I thought thats what this message board was for, we are telling Tom and Rob right now that the officials are messing up.
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Head Offiical H-HR-LF
May 06, 2008
9:32 PM | | | ; |
Hey Al, no, I was trying to get my point across that there are two different Official’s Associations. Al, it is not always about the money but providing a quality product on the field. As officials we will never make everyone happy, but we try to administer and officiate by the rules.
Al, we did at the beginning of the year try to get all VA fields. The league made a decision to use two different Associations. My Association has been doing Flag for over 25 years with many of our officials doing the State A and B finals and National finals.
TO ? Please BE SPECIFIC LIKE about WHAT field you are talking about!!!
Thank You
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Ed Hochily
May 06, 2008
10:30 PM | | | ; |
Quick question for Mr. Head Official since I saw two questionable calls at Herndon about 3-4 weeks back. On a 4th down, if you decide to punt, can you call a timeout and then change the decision to go for it? Do you need one or two feet in bounds to make a legal catch?
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Head Official
May 07, 2008
6:37 AM | | | ; |
TO ED...
Once you declare that is it EXCEPT...If you run a play and there is a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted by the TEAM A OR B yes you can change your decision.
National rule book See RULE 6 SECTION 3 art 2 ....see the state rule 8 sec 3 art 1...
You must know that in flag you MUST have two feet in bounds and control the ball just like the NFL!
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May 07, 2008
11:07 AM | | | ; |
That`s cool. I was quite aware of the different associations. We played our week 1 games at Lake Fairfax and I would have to say the officiating there was much better than at Baron Cameron. Of course, that`s one game vs. three, but just my quick assessment.
I`m not against the idea of two associations, whatever the league wants is fine, but I`d like to see the same quality maintained through out the league.
Thanks for the explanations.
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