Teams
Jun 01, 2006
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I will not disclose what team I play for and the statement I have is. Each team is watched or played against through the season. Teams are bringing other players from elsewhere and playing them in the playoffs. They will place names of individual at the beginning of the season and then use that name for any player. We need to get this under control. There has to be a five minute roster check before each game with ID`s matching. If this is the case then I can bring a bunch of players that play in other leagues to participate in our playoffs. Each week i can bring a different set of players that are available. This cannot be official or tolerated, example if a fight breaks out and the player is not an official team player, who is held liable? Throughout the messageboard all I see is teams naming players that they are bringing from elsewhere. The history of this league has always been the same. You beat a team throughout the season and comes playoff time and the same team you beat, is now completely different. There is no point in playing a regular season, lets just play a tourny style (Bark Bowl) every week????
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Coach
Jun 01, 2006
12:10 PM | | | ; |
The problem with roster checks is that most teams do not even have their regular players (e.g., those who play every game) on the rosters because they do not want to pay the $20 per player out of county fee.
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weak
Jun 01, 2006
12:16 PM | | | ; |
If that`s the case, then they need to take forfeits.
It`s one thing to roster 19 people, have 13 play during the regular season and the other 6 shows up in the playoffs.
It`s different if they`re not registered at all.
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Tom - IFFL
IFFL - commissioner
Jun 01, 2006
12:20 PM | | | ; |
I`ll have to disagree with you that the history of the league is:
"You beat a team throughout the season and comes playoff time and the same team you beat, is now completely different".
We do have a pretty effective roster check system in place. An coach can challenge one player on the oppossing team. If that one player is unrostered, the game is a forfeit loss. I won`t get into the specifics of all the ways we go about verifying this (because I do not want any potential roster violaters tipped off), but I will say that it works. There were three games in 2005 which were post-action forfeits because of roster violations.
The roster limit for any team is 22 players. That is the roster limit for States and Nationals, so if we lowered that it would handicap our teams who play in those tournaments. As far as having some rostered players come out only for the playoffs - its not disallowed, but we can add that to the offseason coach vote ballot.
Most successful teams have a strong cohesion. You can`t build that by playing different players week in and week out.
Tom - IFFL
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Tom - IFFL
IFFL - commissioner
Jun 01, 2006
12:25 PM | | | ; |
Coach:
Based on out of county fees billed, I`m pretty sure most teams are in compliance.
Tom - IFFL
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truth
Jun 01, 2006
12:46 PM | | | ; |
It would be really hard to control this.Teams that have done it , know how to get around the rules/roster checks.I know the guys on top try to regulate this, but you just can`t watch everyone.It is really bad during the state tourney.Some guys create a team name/roster names and go down there to fill their squad.It is hard to regulate without photo checks and that would take away from playing time.I guess you would say "Catch 22".
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no problem here
Jun 01, 2006
12:53 PM | | | ; |
If the person is on the roster from day 1 who cares.
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agree
Jun 01, 2006
1:38 PM | | | ; |
I agree with the last post...If the person is on the roster from day 1, what difference does it make. My team has 2 guys who play on an "as needed" basis. This is all they can committ to doing. I do tihnk; however, that using fake names is kind of shady.
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Perspective
Jun 01, 2006
2:34 PM | | | ; |
I would offer this for the coaches ballot for upcoming games.
My old league, use to have a team sign in sheet per week. Every player had to sign and print their name each week. There were 2 rosters generated. One at the beginning of the season and one after week 4, which allowed teams to pick up players. In order for a player to be playoff elligable they had to play / sign in 4 games out of 8 and be on the offical roster after week 4. Now the sign in sheet was turned into the refs at the captains meeting at the beginning of the game. You would have to use a time out or halftime to sign in any player that shows up after the kickoff. This allowed the refs to do just a head count to make sure the number signed in was actually at the game.
Our league also had various checks for who a player was if it was contested, and the penalties were similar to this league. But what was nice is you didn`t have to worry about playing against a team of "ringers". There were also provisions in the rules for injured players.
I hope those thoughts help.
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roster check
Jun 01, 2006
2:50 PM | | | ; |
Just check the roster of the winning teams after the game. That way you`ll save time by only check one team. If the winners have an illegal player, then you check the losing team.
There shouldn`t be a minimum games requirement. If they`re legally on the roster, who cares if they only play in the playoffs.
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I agree
Jun 01, 2006
3:12 PM | | | ; |
I was also in that league and it worked out great.There were a few instances of people signing for other players , but that was noticed before the next week.
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you guys got to be
Jun 01, 2006
3:22 PM | | | ; |
kidding. Most of these teams have been playing for years and know the players on the other team. If there is a question to whether someone is on the roster or not the other team can protest. Rob, Tom, and Shay have been doing this long ebough to figure out what works best for the league.
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Veteran
Jun 01, 2006
3:24 PM | | | ; |
Here are a couple of other points to consider as a safeguard.
1. Tom, Rob and Shay have all been around since Day 1 - it is safe to say they know of or have heard of most (if not all) players in this league. While the two local leagues (Reston and FFX) have seen a growth in teams over the past few years, it is still a relatively small world. Any true "ringers" that are not rostered or going by another name would have been "outed" by now.
2. The veteran teams and the real contenders for the spring title are above this BS move. The veteran players have virtually played with or against everyone else of any significance. The veteran teams will "roster" their guys and many will show up come playoff time. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time.
3.I have been around this league since the early days and this issue has never been a factor in determining the champion.
Lastly, if the originator of this thread knows of specifics about teams pulling this BS or shady move, I suggest you raise your concern with Tom, Rob and Shay (with details) and have them deal with it.
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Little thing
Jun 01, 2006
3:41 PM | | | ; |
Maybe we can vote on moving back the roster deadline in case of injuries. Many of us know people who can help out in a pinch, but cannot afford to drop an extra 20 for each of these "pinch hitters" who might be out of county, and might never be used if there are no injuries.
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player
Jun 01, 2006
5:00 PM | | | ; |
In a game last fall there was an incident where a player suited up for a C league team that he was not rostered for and played the next night for the B league team that he was rostered for, On the first play the ref called the play dead and called the game because he had ref`d the previous night. Most refs and players know each other in this league...it`s not going to be caught in every game but if it`s contested then what can you argue about?
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seen this too
Jun 01, 2006
6:56 PM | | | ; |
In our instance it was one of the comish`s that told the ref. Like I said not much gets by these guys let them do their thing.
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