This is actually for the two unbiased commissioners. Isn`t a player who is kicked out of a game suppose to be suspended for a game not a week. I mean damn at least have one set of rules for the whole league. Lazy player was kicked out week one and Rob says his served his suspension last week. Wasn`t last week a rain out.

If this is how this league is going to conduct business, then I know I will be in my coaches ear that we should get out and find a more honest league. There has been too many instances where a conflict of interest with Lazy and Rob being a commissioner.

I mean we are just playing flag football, not getting paid, doing on our time, some for recreation, is it that critical that Lazy gets a lot of "fortunate" breaks. They are a good team but there have been one too many "I am the commissioner" speaches by Rob.

That is Bullsh*t. You can`t serve a suspension when there is a rainout.Lazy should be given a forfeit today.We all know that would not be allowed for any other team.Once again, they get away with changing the rules for themselves.I hope Tom and Shay will see that this was wrong and issue a forfeit and a warning that teams are getting fed up with this stuff.I think everyone would agree to buying them a trophy , so they can be happy and let the rest of the teams play without all of the contorversy.If they do not get issued a forfeit and the player does NOT serve his suspension during a regular season game then that shows that they can do whatever they want because Rob is the commissioner.This will not be good !!!

1. Is the guy that got kicked out really that good to be a deciding factor of a game? Seriously.
2. If Rob got fed up with all of your b!%&*ing and moaning and removed himself from the team, would you still b!%^% and moan about Lazy getting favoritism because "he used" to play for them?
3. Are you just angry you lost?
Answer the questions.

It is moe of a question as to what is Fair B*I*T*C*H. Not how good that players is.

I really hope that it wasn`t a fellow Prowler player that posted this topic. If it was, it really does reflect badly on us. Is it fair? Not really. Does it really matter? No. We lost, we`ll get over it. It`s just Sunday flag football, not the Superbowl. Besides, I would rather NOT win by way of a forfeit. I give props to Lazy, they`re a talented team. They beat us. That`s the bottom line.

Actually that is not the "bottom line". It should not matter if the player which was supposed to serve a suspension is great, good or awful. Simply, there are rules that we as a league shall all be governed. If Lazy Sundae does not obide be the same guidelines the rest of league is manifested, the issue is much deeper than whether your team won or lost today.

If you want the facts, be a man and ask the suspending ref, or do like some one did today and ask me what happened like a man. FACE 2 FACE! All this school girl crying and posting on the board is rediculous. If you want to know the story behind it, ask me and I will tell you. Until then, grab a pacifier and shut dat azz up.

I agree, we should all be governed, but I just joined to play. The main problem is that this whole conversation will come down on all us Prowlers as being sore losers. Hell, even with my posts, it should be taken as my own personal opinion, not that of my entire team.

This has NOTHING to do with the Prowlers or most of the Lazy players.It is about what is fair and the right thing to do.Lazy players are quick to defend their team and that is cool , but you have to see it from other teams point of view.

how is this enforced if nobody knows which players are suspended.

I can understand why the suspension thing would be bothersome but for me, a prowler and i can`t speak for my whole team but we just tryin to have fun, And i agree with the other prowler`s player when he said that he wouldn`t want to win that way...All i can say about this is next time when/if our team shall meet...T.O will make him presence felt lol....good game Lazy and good luck on the rest of the season

you make a point-------
This is what I am saying in bringing this up on "not misinformed messageboard" as Tom put it in the thread on suspension. There is nothing in place to inform other teams on who is suspended for "additional games." This is brought up unfortunately against Lazy who has a very good team but they should be treated as all the other teams in the league. Everything should be out in the open for everyone to have the opportunity to have the information. Yes we are all just having fun T.O but even "fun" can be ruined if things aren`t fair.

Like I said, if you want to know what the real deal is, then ask like a man instead of making annonimous assumptions.

Sef a man does not cheat. A man players fair. Just because you say who you are does no make you a man. You will still be the little B*I*T*C*H that you are.

I think most of us realize Sef is an upstanding dude, so please tell the rest of us what happened if you feel up to it. I can say that I had a player tossed last year and the refs told us the next week was mandatory. Its worth figuring this all out.

I can tell you what happened. Rob let him play. End of the story

I would like to respond even though I shouldn`t.

First off, things aren`t always what they seem to be. For everyone that thinks Lazy Sundae is given "all the breaks" you all are incorrect. You can talk to any experienced team/coach that has been around for more than a season and any of them will confirm that I/we do not govern our league inappropiately. Throughout all of my years of making my contributions to this league, I am appauled/disgusted to those of you that think I need to twist the rules in place to win a regular season game. If anything what all of you who make these accusations don`t see is that my team is scrutinized more than any other team in the league, because I am the commissioner. Personally I don`t feel that is fair either. But that is the price my team pays for allowing me to continue to play with them. And I thank you all who are in our Lazy Sundae family.

If you feel the need to insult my intergrity as a man, then be a man step up and insult me face to face. I am quite tired of those few bad apples who are just plain ol` sore losers. For those bad apples who are making wrong accusations, ultimately you are insulting the integrity of the league.

I am always out and about at games, if you have any questions at any time about my intergrity or how I contribute to the league please ask at any time. If you cannot man up and talk to me face to face, then please feel free to communicate with any other experienced team/coach in the league that knows who I am and I can say ahead of time that any of them will validate that this league is the best league around and my team does not get any favors from anyone, not even the other commissioners Shay/Tom.

In case any of you ponder why I don`t step down and not play it is because I consider all of the guys I`ve played with over the years as family first. I also put in alot of hours of my free time without pay, so you have a place to play on Sunday, even you bad apple, msg board bullies. So if I make it available to bad apples to have a place to play then why can`t I.

Nuff said about all of this, if you have questions/concerns I am available. Bottom line we are out there on Sunday to have fun aren`t we? If you are this upset about Sunday flag football, to insult my integrity as a man and ultimately insult the League`s intergrity and my Co-Commissioners intergrity, maybe you should try golf, tennis on Sunday.

Good luck to every other team throughout the rest of the season!!!

Rob Holland
703/371-4952

...we should all assume that a Lazy player didnt get to play without serving the suspension, right? It would be nice to hear so we can put this to bed.

Best to just put this thing to bed anyway.It is monday and it is over with.Time to move to next week.

Been in the league 11 years. It is by far the best it has ever been. If that means that a commish`s team occasionally/subliminally/whateverly gets a bone thrown there way, intentional or not, I could care less. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE CRAP THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THESE GUYS TOOK OVER. They love the game, so let them play/coach/commish/the whole thing. They dont get paid enough whatever it is and we should thank our lucky stars they put up with all this crap. For the record, I have never seen any of them break the rules. Slightly bend them? Well thats another story, and has to do with being savvy veterans not sinister commish`s...

This is for the above poster named "So" what is it that you don`t get? Please call me and I will explain it to you in detail and hopefully I can explain it so you understand. Please don`t assume anything, this is why we have this thread, because of assumptions. To answer the player was never suspended from any future games.

Thank you!

Rob

Been in the league for 6 years. The commish`s do a great job and shouldn`t take the message board bashing to heart. It`s just people who like to try and stir things up. I raised a brow when I started to read this thread but knew there was a reasonable explanation and that is that there is no automatic suspension. It`s funny because I always thought there was, but slow me remembered my own teammate got kicked out of a game last season and he played in the next game, so i should have known better.

Seems like people are trying to hide who got suspended and why. Just tell us.

why does it matter who got suspended. What this turns out to be is a case of some newer teams/players who come in, THINK they know all of the rules and want to try and start crap.

I love you Rob!

You`re right. A man does not cheat, and we didn`t. But a coward will call some one out of their name and not say who they are. I, by no means, am not a voilent man. I come out to have fun, compete, and win just like 90% of the people out there. No one can say that I ever said anything about some one that they didn`t hear from my mouth. I state who I am because I stand behind what I say. Now if you truly feel that I`m a little B*I*T*C*H, then say it to me, not about me. because what you did was prove who really is the BIA-BIA.

Rob,
Just looking for clarification, not trying to stir the pot. I don`t care who was suspended or who wasn`t.

If you are thrown out of a game, for whatever reason (complaining about calls, playing dirty, etc.), are you then banned from the next game? Also, can we assume this does not include a rainout?

Again, I am not trying to piss anyone off, just looking for an answer.

Thanks for your time.

Sorry, this answer was given on another post by Tom:
Currently, players are only suspended an additional game if the officials advise the league that the player must serve an additional game. It`s not automatic, and has not been since the Spring of 2006.

See rule change based on Muddawgs / lazy game last fall.

I cannot believe I am actually posting to this either, but I do not believe that was one of our players that started this thread. If it was, I am disappointed. My understanding is that we were informed by someone at the game that a player that had been suspended was playing. Honestly I could care less, I echo a teammates earlier sentiments we got beat regardless whether he was there or not. We will get over it. Congrats to Sundae, you guys are a good team, hope we get a chance to play you again this season.

As a team, Lazy has nothing against the prowlers, or whoever started this thread. Personally speaking though, I know who said what and I will talk to them.